Estevan Trejo and Leonardo Avila
Eng 1301.28
Trang Phan
9-27-2010
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing.” College English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (1979): pp.19-37.
Summary 5 – Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
Linda Flower asks in her article, “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”, “If writing is simply the act of ‘expressing what you think’… why is writing often such a difficult thing to do? (Pg. 19)” She begins to answer the question by describing two distinct types of writing: Writer-Based prose and Reader-Based prose. The former entails an effective writer not simply expressing what they think on the subject, but transforming their thoughts into coherent, intelligible sentences for the reader to easily grasp and manage (Pg. 19). The latter involves what is likely to be an ineffective writer merely “expressing themselves by offering up an untouched and under processed version of their own thought” (Pg. 19). Though Writer-Based prose is both a natural style of writing and thought, it is usually not enough to communicate the author’s purpose and intentions to the reader. And “although Writer-Based prose often fails for readers and tends to preclude further concept formation, it may be a useful road into the creative process for some writers. The structures which fail to work for readers may be powerful strategies for retrieving information from memory (either semantic or short-term) and for exploring one’s own knowledge network” (Pg. 28).
Question: What do you think of Writer-Based prose and it being utilized for essays?
Response:
If you have ever critiqued a confident writer’s essay only to find that their paper makes little sense to you, the reader, the culprit may very well be Writer-Based prose. “As both a style of writing and as a style of thought, writer-based prose is natural and adequate for a writer writing to himself or herself” (Pg. 19). On the other hand, when preparing something to be read by others, it becomes imperative to produce something a bit more substantial and refined. With Writer-Based prose, we often unfortunately fail to clearly reveal our purpose, concepts, or perspective to the reader. If a reader is unable to derive these important components from the essay utilizing their rhetorical reading strategies, the author has failed to create a shared language and shared context between writer and reader (Pg. 20). This is the essence of Writer-Based prose. When the reader is unable to easily grasp your stance on the topic, the writing is likely yet to be transformed into the preferred Reader-Based prose (Pg. 19). In closing, I believe that essays should be written with the reader in mind, and thus, Writer-Based prose should be avoided while writing essays.
Wednesday, September 29, 2010
SQR5
Brie Fenton, Yesenia Ontiveros
English 1301.28
Trang Phang
Sept. 29, 2010
Writer-¬based Prose: a Cognitive Basis for Problems in writing
Flower, Linda. “Writer-¬based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing” College English Sept. 1979: pgs. 19-37
Summary:
Writer based prose is okay to do when a writer is writing to their self. When you add in other readers, it causes trouble. There are usually problems transferring your own thoughts into something others would understand. The reader based prose is when you are writing to communicate with the reader. You use terms and express ideas in a way readers will understand. During writer based, they dont keep in mind that the readers may not understand the point they are trying to get across.
"Reader based prose reflects the purpose of the writers thought; writer based prose tends to reflect its process." (20) Writer based prose shows writers how they dissect information and get it accross. It reflects their thinking process. First drafts are much like writer based proses. Once you get to the second draft, it makes much more sense and conforms to a writer based prose. "The structures which fail to work for readers may be powerful strategies for retrieving information from memory and for exploring one’s own knowledge network." (28)
Question:
What are the advantages and disadvantages of writer based prose?
Response:
The advantages of writer based prose, it to shows the writer how to come across the ideas and how the writing in transfer to paper. This process teaches them more about themselves and the way they write. The disadvantages are the reader may at times not know what the author is writing about, or get his thought across. This not bad because the reader may not get the full picture of what the author was trying to interpret.
English 1301.28
Trang Phang
Sept. 29, 2010
Writer-¬based Prose: a Cognitive Basis for Problems in writing
Flower, Linda. “Writer-¬based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing” College English Sept. 1979: pgs. 19-37
Summary:
Writer based prose is okay to do when a writer is writing to their self. When you add in other readers, it causes trouble. There are usually problems transferring your own thoughts into something others would understand. The reader based prose is when you are writing to communicate with the reader. You use terms and express ideas in a way readers will understand. During writer based, they dont keep in mind that the readers may not understand the point they are trying to get across.
"Reader based prose reflects the purpose of the writers thought; writer based prose tends to reflect its process." (20) Writer based prose shows writers how they dissect information and get it accross. It reflects their thinking process. First drafts are much like writer based proses. Once you get to the second draft, it makes much more sense and conforms to a writer based prose. "The structures which fail to work for readers may be powerful strategies for retrieving information from memory and for exploring one’s own knowledge network." (28)
Question:
What are the advantages and disadvantages of writer based prose?
Response:
The advantages of writer based prose, it to shows the writer how to come across the ideas and how the writing in transfer to paper. This process teaches them more about themselves and the way they write. The disadvantages are the reader may at times not know what the author is writing about, or get his thought across. This not bad because the reader may not get the full picture of what the author was trying to interpret.
Tuesday, September 28, 2010
SQR5
Hiram Lopez
ENG 1301.28
Trang Phan
9/29/10
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
Summary:
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (1979), pp. 19-37
In this article, when a writer is composing using writer based pros, he or she loses the reader by not keeping them in mind because they are writing their ideas in a way that is only understandable to them. A problem that can occur with writer based pros can be underdeveloped ideas, which can lead to poor discussions. A study about egocentric nature of a person was performed, which showed that children told stories but only talked about them because they did not have the cognitive capacity to assume the listeners point of view. In teaching writers to recognize their own writers based writing and transform it because it can give inexperienced writers, the confidence and motivation to go on. The style of writer based prose can come from internal thoughts and the use of code words, and by using semantic, episodic, and short term memory can help get ideas across to the reader to help them understand what you are trying to get across.
Question:
Can using writer based prose make you a better writer?
Response:
Writer based prose was when a writer focused on certain subject and made their writing comprehendible only to themselves and not to the people that read their work. Writer-based prose shouldn’t be scrapped, because teaching a writer to recognize their own writer-based prose can help them to transform their writing by giving the writer strong positive value and achievement for the writer even though he or she failed to communicate to the reader. This can give inexperienced writers the confidence and the motivation to go on. By recognizing this as a special skill and task, we can give writers self-conscious control over the abilities they already have. Because, writer-based prose is like a half-way place for many writers, it is like their a rough draft that can be transformed from the groundwork laid in the first stage of a process and begin to write in reader-based prose and making us better writers.
ENG 1301.28
Trang Phan
9/29/10
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
Summary:
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (1979), pp. 19-37
In this article, when a writer is composing using writer based pros, he or she loses the reader by not keeping them in mind because they are writing their ideas in a way that is only understandable to them. A problem that can occur with writer based pros can be underdeveloped ideas, which can lead to poor discussions. A study about egocentric nature of a person was performed, which showed that children told stories but only talked about them because they did not have the cognitive capacity to assume the listeners point of view. In teaching writers to recognize their own writers based writing and transform it because it can give inexperienced writers, the confidence and motivation to go on. The style of writer based prose can come from internal thoughts and the use of code words, and by using semantic, episodic, and short term memory can help get ideas across to the reader to help them understand what you are trying to get across.
Question:
Can using writer based prose make you a better writer?
Response:
Writer based prose was when a writer focused on certain subject and made their writing comprehendible only to themselves and not to the people that read their work. Writer-based prose shouldn’t be scrapped, because teaching a writer to recognize their own writer-based prose can help them to transform their writing by giving the writer strong positive value and achievement for the writer even though he or she failed to communicate to the reader. This can give inexperienced writers the confidence and the motivation to go on. By recognizing this as a special skill and task, we can give writers self-conscious control over the abilities they already have. Because, writer-based prose is like a half-way place for many writers, it is like their a rough draft that can be transformed from the groundwork laid in the first stage of a process and begin to write in reader-based prose and making us better writers.
Rene Reyes
Edward Aranda
English 1301.28
Trang Phan
9/28/2010
Summary
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
Linda Flower."Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing". College Englis, Vol. 41, No. 1(Sep. 1979), pp. 19-37.
Effective writing is not just only to write down your thoughts and expression. Effective writing is to communicate with the audience. To transform the expressed thought into a descriable complex way.
Writer-Based prose is defined as an expressive style of writing understood only to the writer. The function of this prose is to write to yourself and for yourself. Structured as the writer's narritive path of his own confrontation with his subject. It usaually represents the egocentric or inner speech.
Reader-Based prose is defined as an attempt to communicate with the reader. This porse is understood to both reader and writer by sharing the language and context. Also, it has a rhetorical structure which means it has an intended audience, purpose, and serves as a conversation between reader and writer.
Episodic memory is the memory that recalls past events. Like when you remember something you watch on History Channel that relates to one of the lessons. Semantic memory is the memory that remembers the meaning of symbols. For example, H2O is water or the Quadratic formula.
Short-term memory is all the information you can hold at one time. "Trying to evaluate, elaborate, and relate all that we know on a given topic can easily overload the capacity of our working memory."(pg.36) Using Writer-Based prose helps you eliminate these problems temporarily, and then transform the prose to Reader-Based. This strategy helps teachers teach writing better.
Question
Describe the Writer-Based and Reader-Based prose. Why is transformation an effective writing strategy?
Response
When writes write in Writer-Based prose the text is only clear to the writer. This is because the writer is putting his thouhgts (inner speech/egocentric speech) straight from his mind into text. " The symptoms can range from a mere missing referent or an underdeveloped idea to an unfocused and apparently pointless discussion." (pg.19)
Reader-Based prose has communication between the writer and reader. "To do that it creates a shared language and shared context between writer and reader." (pg.20) The reader has a explicit understanding of the writer's meaning. It has an intended audience and purpose; Reader-Based prose has a rhetorical type of structure.
Transformation of a Writer-Based to Reader-Based prose helps writer effectively. This is because in a Writer-Based prose the writer can list all his thoughts and information without having to think about the reader. Once the writer had something he can understand, then the writer can concentrate on changing (transformation) this porse into something that the reader needs and can use.
Edward Aranda
English 1301.28
Trang Phan
9/28/2010
Summary
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
Linda Flower."Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing". College Englis, Vol. 41, No. 1(Sep. 1979), pp. 19-37.
Effective writing is not just only to write down your thoughts and expression. Effective writing is to communicate with the audience. To transform the expressed thought into a descriable complex way.
Writer-Based prose is defined as an expressive style of writing understood only to the writer. The function of this prose is to write to yourself and for yourself. Structured as the writer's narritive path of his own confrontation with his subject. It usaually represents the egocentric or inner speech.
Reader-Based prose is defined as an attempt to communicate with the reader. This porse is understood to both reader and writer by sharing the language and context. Also, it has a rhetorical structure which means it has an intended audience, purpose, and serves as a conversation between reader and writer.
Episodic memory is the memory that recalls past events. Like when you remember something you watch on History Channel that relates to one of the lessons. Semantic memory is the memory that remembers the meaning of symbols. For example, H2O is water or the Quadratic formula.
Short-term memory is all the information you can hold at one time. "Trying to evaluate, elaborate, and relate all that we know on a given topic can easily overload the capacity of our working memory."(pg.36) Using Writer-Based prose helps you eliminate these problems temporarily, and then transform the prose to Reader-Based. This strategy helps teachers teach writing better.
Question
Describe the Writer-Based and Reader-Based prose. Why is transformation an effective writing strategy?
Response
When writes write in Writer-Based prose the text is only clear to the writer. This is because the writer is putting his thouhgts (inner speech/egocentric speech) straight from his mind into text. " The symptoms can range from a mere missing referent or an underdeveloped idea to an unfocused and apparently pointless discussion." (pg.19)
Reader-Based prose has communication between the writer and reader. "To do that it creates a shared language and shared context between writer and reader." (pg.20) The reader has a explicit understanding of the writer's meaning. It has an intended audience and purpose; Reader-Based prose has a rhetorical type of structure.
Transformation of a Writer-Based to Reader-Based prose helps writer effectively. This is because in a Writer-Based prose the writer can list all his thoughts and information without having to think about the reader. Once the writer had something he can understand, then the writer can concentrate on changing (transformation) this porse into something that the reader needs and can use.
SQR5
Linda Flower Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive for Problems in Writing Summary College English Vol 41 No 1 (Sep 1979) pp 19-37
Summary: In this article it goes on discussing and comparing Writer Based-Prose and Reader Based-Prose and how it may affect both the reader and the writer. In writer based prose the writer writes what comes to his or her own mind and what makes sense to them may not make sense to the reader. This being said the writer may have a greater sense of what he/she may have in set towards their writing but the reader may not understand where the writer is trying to get the point being said in the writing cause what might be clear to read in the mind of the writer may not be clear to the reader who is reading the text. In reader based prose it reflects the purpose of what the writer thoughts so it may cause problems to the reader because they can’t really understand nor comprehend what the writer is trying to explain through the text. It’s up to the writer to make thought into a structure and a style to where the reader could understand.
Question: What are ways to get used to writing in a reader-based-prose and is writing-based-prose good for anything?
Response: It’s very difficult to get rid of the egocentric writing most of us inexperienced writer use. It takes a lot of practice, and a lot of focus. In order to write good you need to identify the reader and his/her tolerance to writing. Then when you begin writing always keep the reader in mind and find ways to share more detail in order for the reader to relate it to what he/she’s experienced before. Also big words can sometimes throw off readers, but sometimes curveballs can be very exciting to some readers and it can make it interesting. Writing-based-prose is also good for the pre-writing. It’s not good to use it regularly but when you do use it, use it as a roughdraft or a brainstorm to get your topics straight and to find mistakes and useful information.
Summary: In this article it goes on discussing and comparing Writer Based-Prose and Reader Based-Prose and how it may affect both the reader and the writer. In writer based prose the writer writes what comes to his or her own mind and what makes sense to them may not make sense to the reader. This being said the writer may have a greater sense of what he/she may have in set towards their writing but the reader may not understand where the writer is trying to get the point being said in the writing cause what might be clear to read in the mind of the writer may not be clear to the reader who is reading the text. In reader based prose it reflects the purpose of what the writer thoughts so it may cause problems to the reader because they can’t really understand nor comprehend what the writer is trying to explain through the text. It’s up to the writer to make thought into a structure and a style to where the reader could understand.
Question: What are ways to get used to writing in a reader-based-prose and is writing-based-prose good for anything?
Response: It’s very difficult to get rid of the egocentric writing most of us inexperienced writer use. It takes a lot of practice, and a lot of focus. In order to write good you need to identify the reader and his/her tolerance to writing. Then when you begin writing always keep the reader in mind and find ways to share more detail in order for the reader to relate it to what he/she’s experienced before. Also big words can sometimes throw off readers, but sometimes curveballs can be very exciting to some readers and it can make it interesting. Writing-based-prose is also good for the pre-writing. It’s not good to use it regularly but when you do use it, use it as a roughdraft or a brainstorm to get your topics straight and to find mistakes and useful information.
Monday, September 27, 2010
SQR5
Rachel Reyna & Lisa Lopez
ENG 1301.28
Trang Phan
Sept. 26, 2010
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive for Problems in Writing Summary
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (1979), pp. 19-37
Writing can be seen as a complicated way of one expressing his or her feelings. In this article, there are theories and strategies used to prove that, in writing, the gap between a reader and a writer can have a solution. Writer-based prose is a common way for the writer to mislead a reader, which is a cause for underdeveloped ideas and pointless discussion. An answer for this type of dilemma is reader-based prose. The reader-based prose is a strategy used to communicate directly to the reader. This is more useful than the writer-based prose since it reflects more on the purpose, rather than the process like in writer-based prose. The author used a psychology class’ drafts an example to show that the mistakes made would be based off of writer-based prose. The writing-based prose includes three principles that can have a useful purpose: function, structure and style. The functional system can be used by a writer to conduct his/her thoughts in way that will cause simple understanding to the reader. The structure of a writer can show how they usefully use information and the style of the writer comes from their flow of thought.
Question: What is egocentrism and in what way does it benefit someone? How was it described in the article?
Egocentrism is when someone speaks their mind or says whatever is on their mind. A great example used in the article is that of a child. The child is used here as an example of egocentrism because at a certain age children usually talk about themselves. It’s not about boasting though, it is more about self discovery. When a child talks out loud, or figures out that they like ponies and they talk about that certain thing all the time, each day they learn something different. Egocentrism is not about selfishness or boastfulness; it is more about self realization. Writers can benefit with egocentrism because of the fact that it lets them express their beliefs and what they feel is right. I know I was egocentric at one point as a child. When I was about three years old, all I could do was ask questions and speak my mind out loud. Nothing was able to stop me from speaking my mind because I didn’t really care. I could go on and on about ponies and cats. Egocentrism could help a writer depending on the circumstance. A writer can use this to help him create better ideas and learn more things about himself. Egocentrism is like a brainstorm except it includes the person to talk about themselves, to themselves, and to others.
ENG 1301.28
Trang Phan
Sept. 26, 2010
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive for Problems in Writing Summary
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (1979), pp. 19-37
Writing can be seen as a complicated way of one expressing his or her feelings. In this article, there are theories and strategies used to prove that, in writing, the gap between a reader and a writer can have a solution. Writer-based prose is a common way for the writer to mislead a reader, which is a cause for underdeveloped ideas and pointless discussion. An answer for this type of dilemma is reader-based prose. The reader-based prose is a strategy used to communicate directly to the reader. This is more useful than the writer-based prose since it reflects more on the purpose, rather than the process like in writer-based prose. The author used a psychology class’ drafts an example to show that the mistakes made would be based off of writer-based prose. The writing-based prose includes three principles that can have a useful purpose: function, structure and style. The functional system can be used by a writer to conduct his/her thoughts in way that will cause simple understanding to the reader. The structure of a writer can show how they usefully use information and the style of the writer comes from their flow of thought.
Question: What is egocentrism and in what way does it benefit someone? How was it described in the article?
Egocentrism is when someone speaks their mind or says whatever is on their mind. A great example used in the article is that of a child. The child is used here as an example of egocentrism because at a certain age children usually talk about themselves. It’s not about boasting though, it is more about self discovery. When a child talks out loud, or figures out that they like ponies and they talk about that certain thing all the time, each day they learn something different. Egocentrism is not about selfishness or boastfulness; it is more about self realization. Writers can benefit with egocentrism because of the fact that it lets them express their beliefs and what they feel is right. I know I was egocentric at one point as a child. When I was about three years old, all I could do was ask questions and speak my mind out loud. Nothing was able to stop me from speaking my mind because I didn’t really care. I could go on and on about ponies and cats. Egocentrism could help a writer depending on the circumstance. A writer can use this to help him create better ideas and learn more things about himself. Egocentrism is like a brainstorm except it includes the person to talk about themselves, to themselves, and to others.
Sunday, September 26, 2010
SQR 5
Mario A. Garcia, Vanessa Magdaleno
ENG. 1301.28
Instructor: Trang Phan
9/26/10
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
SUMMARY:
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (1979), pp. 19-37
If a writer is composing using writer based prose, they are not keeping their reader in mind, and writing their ideas in a way that is only understandable to them, such as in reader based prose. Problems that occur with writer based prose are underdeveloped ideas, which then lead to poor discussions. A study was performed in order to study the egocentric nature of a person. It was seen through children telling a story using only body language, that the audience is not kept in mind, and that the children assumed the audience understood what they were doing.
The functional system used in writing is the way a writer manipulates his/her knowledge into some acceptable form of meaning. The structure of writer based prose shows strategies for working with information. The style of writer based prose come from internal thoughts, as well as using code words. Using sematic memory, episodic memory, and short term memory all can help get your ideas across to the reader more effectively.
QUESTION:
What can you do to diminish writer-based prose in your writing and how will this help you to become a better writer?
RESPONSE:
Writer-based prose as we discussed is when a writer focuses too much on a certain subject and makes it only comprehendible to himself/herself and not to people that are reading their work. The best and most certain way to make your writing be easier for others to understand is to have someone read your work. They can give you feedback as to what they do not understand and then you can concentrate on those certain areas and make them more explanatory for your readers. Also using this short term memory technique is very useful when many things are going to be explained. You cannot go ahead and give brief quick examples of all the ideas you have in mind for fear that you will forget what to say. Instead you have to take each idea and give clear examples of each giving all the thoughts you have in mind about each individual subject. When this is done you can still cover everything you want and be able to express your thoughts with enough depth that anyone who reads what you have read will understand your writing. Imagine trying to tell a story to someone without words. The only way to get your point across would be by using body movements. In your mind you are processing so many ideas at a time that you think everyone knows what you are talking about. Instead what you should do is try to gather all the information possible for a certain part of a story and think of the best way possible to act it out. It is the same way with writing. You cannot expect everyone to know what you are talking about when all you are doing is putting down things that only you understand. It is obvious as to how this will make you a better writer. When writer-based prose is eliminated from your writing you know that you are not only speaking to yourself which is the first step to making you a much better writer.
ENG. 1301.28
Instructor: Trang Phan
9/26/10
Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing
SUMMARY:
Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41, No. 1. (1979), pp. 19-37
If a writer is composing using writer based prose, they are not keeping their reader in mind, and writing their ideas in a way that is only understandable to them, such as in reader based prose. Problems that occur with writer based prose are underdeveloped ideas, which then lead to poor discussions. A study was performed in order to study the egocentric nature of a person. It was seen through children telling a story using only body language, that the audience is not kept in mind, and that the children assumed the audience understood what they were doing.
The functional system used in writing is the way a writer manipulates his/her knowledge into some acceptable form of meaning. The structure of writer based prose shows strategies for working with information. The style of writer based prose come from internal thoughts, as well as using code words. Using sematic memory, episodic memory, and short term memory all can help get your ideas across to the reader more effectively.
QUESTION:
What can you do to diminish writer-based prose in your writing and how will this help you to become a better writer?
RESPONSE:
Writer-based prose as we discussed is when a writer focuses too much on a certain subject and makes it only comprehendible to himself/herself and not to people that are reading their work. The best and most certain way to make your writing be easier for others to understand is to have someone read your work. They can give you feedback as to what they do not understand and then you can concentrate on those certain areas and make them more explanatory for your readers. Also using this short term memory technique is very useful when many things are going to be explained. You cannot go ahead and give brief quick examples of all the ideas you have in mind for fear that you will forget what to say. Instead you have to take each idea and give clear examples of each giving all the thoughts you have in mind about each individual subject. When this is done you can still cover everything you want and be able to express your thoughts with enough depth that anyone who reads what you have read will understand your writing. Imagine trying to tell a story to someone without words. The only way to get your point across would be by using body movements. In your mind you are processing so many ideas at a time that you think everyone knows what you are talking about. Instead what you should do is try to gather all the information possible for a certain part of a story and think of the best way possible to act it out. It is the same way with writing. You cannot expect everyone to know what you are talking about when all you are doing is putting down things that only you understand. It is obvious as to how this will make you a better writer. When writer-based prose is eliminated from your writing you know that you are not only speaking to yourself which is the first step to making you a much better writer.
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